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THE MISUSE OF BUTIFARRAN COCOLICHE. Era: EL IMPERIO DE LA MAQUILADORA. Era: Nacionalisme excloent: "España es la única nación"
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Gurriato
2005-12-11 03:19:18 UTC
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Benvolgut Coix,
Mamón, preocúpate de los que en Cataluña se dedican a los multazos en
contra de los que usan el castellano y déjate de cuentos.
Habéis convertido Cataluña en una dictadura de chivatos, caciques e
hijos de puta.
En un estat de dret, les lleis aprovades democraticament estan per ser
cumplides.
I el ciutadà afortunadament té el recurs de les instàncies per a que
l'administració estatal, autonòmica i municipal faci cumplir la llei.
Ben cordialment,
Toni
Catalonia is not above the law. Catalonia does not have jurisditional powers
to abolish the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Generalitat of
Catalonia is an il·licit government because is not fulfilling its
constitutional role with its refusal to protect the half of its population
being persecuted and with its its tolerance to the growing mistreatment of
Spanish-speaking citizens for linguist or cultural reasons. The fines being
imposed on Catalan merchants who post their signs in Spanish are against the
principles clearly stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and
the Spanish Constitution.

In Catalonia Spanish-speaking parents cannot send their children to school
(from nursery all the way through university) in their native language;
those who want to school their children in Catalan can. This is
discrimination a touch more serious than that of Catalan merchants unable to
put up signs in Spanish.

How long will the Spanish-speaking community of Catalonia (65% of the total
population) tolerate Pujol's discriminatory policy, the model for
everything that has come since? How far will this community extend his
servitude to fascist linguistic policy of social engineering to yesterday's
CiU and today's Tri-party, which discriminates against half the population
from cradle to grave?

The ethnofascist Generalitat should not fool itself, the current
dictatorial linguistic oppresion cannot go on. It spurs local despotism
which leads to abyect discrimmination against Spanish speakers of
Catalonia. It is time to put up a fight by all necessary means.

GURRIATO
Gurriato
2005-12-17 03:27:14 UTC
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Es decir, un 50,1% tiene como lengua habitual el catalán, y el 30,2% tiene
como lengua habitual el castellano.
Fíjate también, como dato curioso, como el uso habitual del catalán
aumenta 12 puntos respecto con los amigos y compañeros, al pasar 36,7%
hasta un 48,4% en los bancos, médicos, grandes establecimientos y pequeño
comercio.
The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live in
the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high level
cultural arenas.

They usually graduate with better Cocoliche skills than their parents but
they are not at all comparable to native speakers.
The Polako ikastolas are producing a generation of Charnego dummies (que no
saben hacer ni la o con un canuto, I may add)

One paper I remember reading on the subject of Inmersion showed that a
minority of Ontario French immersion graduates did ultimately develop real
French fluency. Most did not.

Other studies show that children in Immersion programs can develop fairly
good passive comprehension skills in Butifarran Cocoliche but that fluent
speech and writing rarely develop.

Why, then, isn't Butifarran Cocoliche immersion a scandal instead of being
tolerated bu a large segment of the Charnego community? Well, first,
neither the parents nor the students are usually readily able to judge the
language skills taught in immersion. They may think they have quite good
Butifarran skills, but parents are comparing themselves to their
children.The Polako Cheneralidaz has scared Charnego parents with the fear
that their children won't find a job if they are not fluent in Butifarran
Cocoliche. Needless to say they difficulties in these jobs for a person not
fluent in Cocoliche are caused by the redtape introduced by the Cheneralidaz
itself, with tons and tons of petty regulations demanding that every fart
in Catalonia has to sound absolutely Butifarran.

Therefore, thousands of Castilian-speaking children's overall educational
outomes are harmed, and immersion schools are producing swarms of
semi-illiiterate graduates in both Castilian and Cocoliche and who are
flunking out of university. To send children to schools where 99.99 % of
the time is spent in Butifarran Cocoliche classes for as much as 12 years
and still not produce fully functional Cocoliche speakers does not incline
me to think highly of the efficacy of Butifarran immersion programs in
Catalonia. Most kids don't learn very much in school anyway, but this
screwing of the minds of a whole generation of children is fucking too
much.

But I think the most important factor for the presence of compulsory
immersion ikastolas of Catalonia is social pressure and propaganda. Nobody
dares to complain because would be immediatly outcasted as "Francoist".
Apparently the Castilian language was Franco's invention, what a genius! So
many people with position of power in Catalonia so strongly identify their
ethnic bullshitn and a policy of Butifarran monolinguism, that their
bigottry keeps the immersion programmes going. Maragall stated once that the
Butifarran Cocoliche is the DNA of Polakos. The immersion program serves
an important political purpose. In a nation with very little militarism,
Catalan immersion substitutes for sending your young ones off into military
service as a demonstration of nationalist pride.

Charnego parents believe that they are doing the right thing for their
children by sending them to public immersion schools, instead of sending
them to an expensive provate school where the children could get lectures
in Castilian and aquire a REAL education. They don't kow they are being
brainwashed and a entire generation of secondclass Charnego citizens is
being created. Scholastic achievement of Charnego children in the public
schools of Catalonia is one of the worse in the entire World.

Saludos
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
marika
2005-12-17 14:32:54 UTC
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Post by Gurriato
The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live
in the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high
level cultural arenas.
meni vyhladaje shcho to nichoho ne znachyt',mozhe v cilim rechenniu
abo navit' v cilim rozdili vono mozhe maty jakes' znachinnia.Vono vyh-
ladaje jak xtos' na osnovi jidish zbuduvav rechennia.
hacken je hachok,mir je meni,chaynik je take v chim chaj varyty,
a razom to je nichoho

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Españuelo
2005-12-17 18:03:45 UTC
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The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to
Galicia, Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence,
Balearics and Canaries.


The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
language.
Post by Gurriato
Es decir, un 50,1% tiene como lengua habitual el catalán, y el 30,2% tiene
como lengua habitual el castellano.
Fíjate también, como dato curioso, como el uso habitual del catalán
aumenta 12 puntos respecto con los amigos y compañeros, al pasar 36,7%
hasta un 48,4% en los bancos, médicos, grandes establecimientos y pequeño
comercio.
The MISUSE of Butifarran Cocoliche is growing, and growing, and growing
among Charnego children. One thing you will not find any well-informed
advocate of compulsory immersion programs is that children graduate from
school with the level of Butifarran Cocoliche necessary to genuinely live in
the language and compete with Polakos at the University and other high level
cultural arenas.
They usually graduate with better Cocoliche skills than their parents but
they are not at all comparable to native speakers.
The Polako ikastolas are producing a generation of Charnego dummies (que no
saben hacer ni la o con un canuto, I may add)
One paper I remember reading on the subject of Inmersion showed that a
minority of Ontario French immersion graduates did ultimately develop real
French fluency. Most did not.
Other studies show that children in Immersion programs can develop fairly
good passive comprehension skills in Butifarran Cocoliche but that fluent
speech and writing rarely develop.
Why, then, isn't Butifarran Cocoliche immersion a scandal instead of being
tolerated bu a large segment of the Charnego community? Well, first,
neither the parents nor the students are usually readily able to judge the
language skills taught in immersion. They may think they have quite good
Butifarran skills, but parents are comparing themselves to their
children.The Polako Cheneralidaz has scared Charnego parents with the fear
that their children won't find a job if they are not fluent in Butifarran
Cocoliche. Needless to say they difficulties in these jobs for a person not
fluent in Cocoliche are caused by the redtape introduced by the Cheneralidaz
itself, with tons and tons of petty regulations demanding that every fart
in Catalonia has to sound absolutely Butifarran.
Therefore, thousands of Castilian-speaking children's overall educational
outomes are harmed, and immersion schools are producing swarms of
semi-illiiterate graduates in both Castilian and Cocoliche and who are
flunking out of university. To send children to schools where 99.99 % of
the time is spent in Butifarran Cocoliche classes for as much as 12 years
and still not produce fully functional Cocoliche speakers does not incline
me to think highly of the efficacy of Butifarran immersion programs in
Catalonia. Most kids don't learn very much in school anyway, but this
screwing of the minds of a whole generation of children is fucking too
much.
But I think the most important factor for the presence of compulsory
immersion ikastolas of Catalonia is social pressure and propaganda. Nobody
dares to complain because would be immediatly outcasted as "Francoist".
Apparently the Castilian language was Franco's invention, what a genius! So
many people with position of power in Catalonia so strongly identify their
ethnic bullshitn and a policy of Butifarran monolinguism, that their
bigottry keeps the immersion programmes going. Maragall stated once that the
Butifarran Cocoliche is the DNA of Polakos. The immersion program serves
an important political purpose. In a nation with very little militarism,
Catalan immersion substitutes for sending your young ones off into military
service as a demonstration of nationalist pride.
Charnego parents believe that they are doing the right thing for their
children by sending them to public immersion schools, instead of sending
them to an expensive provate school where the children could get lectures
in Castilian and aquire a REAL education. They don't kow they are being
brainwashed and a entire generation of secondclass Charnego citizens is
being created. Scholastic achievement of Charnego children in the public
schools of Catalonia is one of the worse in the entire World.
Saludos
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Gurriato
2005-12-17 18:27:24 UTC
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The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to Galicia,
Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence, Balearics
and Canaries.
The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
language.
Bullshit.

This sort of nonsense is usually uttered without a droplet of irony by who
consider themselves strident antifrancoists
Such utterances are usually considered somewhat ballsy and heroic, as if
David had slung a two pound rock at Goliath's bullying forehead.

In their putsh to redress imaginary past grievances, the Charnego-bashers
will expund endlessly about Castilian oppression while ignoring some
very umpleasant realities about modern-day Catalonia. Ethnic hysteria is
everywhere, but you will not hear a word about the abuse of the
Castilian-speaking proletariat of Catalonia. Castilian-speaking children are
denied education in their language, at all educational levels, from primary
school all the way to the university. Civil "servants" of the Catalonian
Generalitat fine humongous amounts of mulah if a shopkeeper dares to put a
sign in Castilian in his shop. An extensive network of offices have been set
in Catalonia for the anonimous accusations of Castilan-speaking people who
do not obey the abusive quotas and immersions of Butifarran ethnic biggots.
A private radio station can be fined up to 90.000 euros for broadcasting its
programs in Castilian. Catalonia is a totalitarian ethnic dictatorship, and
nevertheless these tyrannical bastards depict themselves as some sort of
poor victims.

There is no shortage of socio-illogical alibis for Catalonia's aberrants
acts. To justifie the ideological Anschluss against opressed Charnegos
(65% of the population) one would have to establish that these mostly
bluecollar immigrants wield an unholy degree of power. As I have argued for
years, the only true fascists are people with the power systematically
to opress others. And this is where the pseudo-kikuyu pundits and
Butifarran babblers fail in their assault on Castilian language and
culture.

Most corporate executives and most people in positions of power are
Catalans who enriched themselves during the Franco's era exploiting the
Charnego workers. They simmultaneously depict Charnego trash to be as dumb
as oak sap, yet able to pull off some sort of conspiracy to keep the
Botifarran patois as a worthless, irrelevant vehicle of communication. They
flimsily assert that people living in barrios rotten with "aluminosis"
somehow have a chokehold on the pipelines of Botifarran "cultureta".
Castilian speaking people are portrayed as the embodiment of power, when
the only time you see a Charnego interacting with a Botifarran person is
when the boss barks down at him in the factory.

The Charnegos should denonce this ethnic abuse at the high levels of the
European Community and other international arenas. Fines, compulsory
cultural inddoctrinations, quotas, forced immertions, etc on basis of your
ethnic background are intolerable in democratic societies.

GURRIATO
Españuelo
2005-12-18 18:33:21 UTC
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The Castilian people (incorrectly known as Spaniard or Spanish) obligate
compulsorily to learn and speak and write the Castilian language under
arrests and penalties.
Post by Gurriato
The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to Galicia,
Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence, Balearics
and Canaries.
The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
language.
Bullshit.
This sort of nonsense is usually uttered without a droplet of irony by who
consider themselves strident antifrancoists
Such utterances are usually considered somewhat ballsy and heroic, as if
David had slung a two pound rock at Goliath's bullying forehead.
In their putsh to redress imaginary past grievances, the Charnego-bashers
will expund endlessly about Castilian oppression while ignoring some
very umpleasant realities about modern-day Catalonia. Ethnic hysteria is
everywhere, but you will not hear a word about the abuse of the
Castilian-speaking proletariat of Catalonia. Castilian-speaking children are
denied education in their language, at all educational levels, from primary
school all the way to the university. Civil "servants" of the Catalonian
Generalitat fine humongous amounts of mulah if a shopkeeper dares to put a
sign in Castilian in his shop. An extensive network of offices have been set
in Catalonia for the anonimous accusations of Castilan-speaking people who
do not obey the abusive quotas and immersions of Butifarran ethnic biggots.
A private radio station can be fined up to 90.000 euros for broadcasting its
programs in Castilian. Catalonia is a totalitarian ethnic dictatorship, and
nevertheless these tyrannical bastards depict themselves as some sort of
poor victims.
There is no shortage of socio-illogical alibis for Catalonia's aberrants
acts. To justifie the ideological Anschluss against opressed Charnegos
(65% of the population) one would have to establish that these mostly
bluecollar immigrants wield an unholy degree of power. As I have argued for
years, the only true fascists are people with the power systematically
to opress others. And this is where the pseudo-kikuyu pundits and
Butifarran babblers fail in their assault on Castilian language and
culture.
Most corporate executives and most people in positions of power are
Catalans who enriched themselves during the Franco's era exploiting the
Charnego workers. They simmultaneously depict Charnego trash to be as dumb
as oak sap, yet able to pull off some sort of conspiracy to keep the
Botifarran patois as a worthless, irrelevant vehicle of communication. They
flimsily assert that people living in barrios rotten with "aluminosis"
somehow have a chokehold on the pipelines of Botifarran "cultureta".
Castilian speaking people are portrayed as the embodiment of power, when
the only time you see a Charnego interacting with a Botifarran person is
when the boss barks down at him in the factory.
The Charnegos should denonce this ethnic abuse at the high levels of the
European Community and other international arenas. Fines, compulsory
cultural inddoctrinations, quotas, forced immertions, etc on basis of your
ethnic background are intolerable in democratic societies.
GURRIATO
Micozy Sarkolas
2005-12-18 19:12:29 UTC
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please stop spreading gurriato's bullshit
Post by Españuelo
The Castilian people (incorrectly known as Spaniard or Spanish) obligate
compulsorily to learn and speak and write the Castilian language under
arrests and penalties.
Post by Gurriato
The Castilian people does not want to give the independence to Galicia,
Wask Country (Basque Country) and Navarra, Catalonia, Valence, Balearics
and Canaries.
The Castilian people obligate compulsorily to learn the Castilian
language.
Bullshit.
This sort of nonsense is usually uttered without a droplet of irony by
who consider themselves strident antifrancoists Such utterances are
usually considered somewhat ballsy and heroic, as if David had slung a
two pound rock at Goliath's bullying forehead.
In their putsh to redress imaginary past grievances, the
Charnego-bashers will expund endlessly about Castilian oppression
while ignoring some very umpleasant realities about modern-day
Catalonia. Ethnic hysteria is everywhere, but you will not hear a word
about the abuse of the Castilian-speaking proletariat of Catalonia.
Castilian-speaking children are denied education in their language, at
all educational levels, from primary school all the way to the
university. Civil "servants" of the Catalonian Generalitat fine
humongous amounts of mulah if a shopkeeper dares to put a sign in
Castilian in his shop. An extensive network of offices have been set in
Catalonia for the anonimous accusations of Castilan-speaking people who
do not obey the abusive quotas and immersions of Butifarran ethnic
biggots. A private radio station can be fined up to 90.000 euros for
broadcasting its programs in Castilian. Catalonia is a totalitarian
ethnic dictatorship, and nevertheless these tyrannical bastards depict
themselves as some sort of poor victims.
There is no shortage of socio-illogical alibis for Catalonia's
aberrants acts. To justifie the ideological Anschluss against opressed
Charnegos (65% of the population) one would have to establish that
these mostly bluecollar immigrants wield an unholy degree of power. As I
have argued for years, the only true fascists are people with the
power systematically to opress others. And this is where the
pseudo-kikuyu pundits and Butifarran babblers fail in their assault on
Castilian language and culture.
Most corporate executives and most people in positions of power are
Catalans who enriched themselves during the Franco's era exploiting the
Charnego workers. They simmultaneously depict Charnego trash to be as
dumb as oak sap, yet able to pull off some sort of conspiracy to keep
the Botifarran patois as a worthless, irrelevant vehicle of
communication. They flimsily assert that people living in barrios
rotten with "aluminosis" somehow have a chokehold on the pipelines of
Botifarran "cultureta". Castilian speaking people are portrayed as the
embodiment of power, when the only time you see a Charnego interacting
with a Botifarran person is when the boss barks down at him in the
factory.
The Charnegos should denonce this ethnic abuse at the high levels of the
European Community and other international arenas. Fines, compulsory
cultural inddoctrinations, quotas, forced immertions, etc on basis of
your ethnic background are intolerable in democratic societies.
GURRIATO
Gurriato
2005-12-18 19:18:19 UTC
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Post by Españuelo
The Castilian people (incorrectly known as Spaniard or Spanish) obligate
compulsorily to learn and speak and write the Castilian language under
arrests and penalties.
These linguistic conflicts that have come to boil in the last 50 years in
reasonably wealthy, occidental states are to be analyzed differently from
what happens in Thirld World countries. You seem to be fixated in a bizarre
analysis of modern Spain based in compartmental divisions of the Roman era,
with peculiar distinctions between "indigenous" minorities and "immigrant"
ones. Europe's ethnic distribution is the product of millennia of migration,
assimilation and remigration where no magic date separates some previously
just distribution from the present.

You should abandon you phony Kikuyu rhetoric. What is at stake here is not
your delirant ramblings of parallels and meridians, but issues pertaining to
access to government services, participation in public discourse,
employment rights, access to education, etc.

I am particularly concerned about the right to schools in your language of
choice, even if it is not the dominant language in your community.
Castilian-spaking children are denied education in their language and you
are telling me taht the opposite is the truth. What the fuck is going on?
What is this schyzophrenic bullshit? Are you sure you know who is screwing
whom in Catalonia with fines, quotas, immersiosn and such?

Monolinguistic Catalan policies are imposed by totalitarian tycoons because,
for them, language serves as proof of the existence of a mythical Catalan
unified nation and the desire for a nation serves to promote the language.
Ethnotribal nazi-onanism therefore envisions language policy as a mechanism
for reclaiming cultural sovereignty or national territorial rights. This
position is totally incompatible with individual rights, since it entails a
state authority over people's freedom to live in the language they
choose.They explicitly advocate the politicisation of language issues, not
limited by general principles of just and unjust behaviour towards
individuals.

I sympathize with the fact taht you guys are sooooooo much in love with your
patois, but you should not try to force everyone to use it, no matter how
beautiful and magnificent this mambo-jumbo might be. This is the argument
from aesthetic value so often favoured by Botifarran Brahmins. For them
Catalan is not exclusively an instrument of communication. It is also a
medium for artistic works. To use a language means to use all the arts which
are only accessible in that language, its poetry, its literature, its
songs, etc. If something is artistic it should be supported by taxpayers and
should be forced down everybody's throat by civil "servants" from the
Generalitat.

However, I find this argument weak, to say the least. There are ample
disputes over the recognition of artistic ventures as public goods, and what
policy implications this entails. Look, for example, at the constant griping
in the US over state funding for controversial artists, like the display of
Robert Maplethorpe photos in public museums. There are citizens who find the
display of pictures of open flies with humongous erect ciruelos sort of
offensive, othes like them, of course. Adding language issues to this
conflicting mess seems ill-considered. As a proof of what I am talking about
stands the fact that in the last 30 years Catalonia has not produced a
single literary work worth reading, despite so much financial support of
Catalonian patois by taxpayers' money. The same can be said about the
goddamned rock bands in Catalan (talán, talán).

You are so proud of how many Charnego children been indoctrinated into the
language of la Cultureta but this doesn't mean these guys are developing
true verbal fluency, the ability to follow conversations in diverse local
accents under noisy conditions using local idioms. Writing el Quijote is
quite a bit more difficult than developing basic literacy in the more
standard form of a language. Catalan is the prototype example of a language
where even native speakers have a great deal of difficulty acquiring
literacy, and second language speakers are still more disadvantaged. You are
creating a generation of bi-idiots, semi-illiterate in both Spanish and
Catalan. I am not taking about the Brahmin children here: The wealthy in
Catalonia are able to purchase private Spanish language educations while the
poor Charnego children are stuck in totalitarian Catalan-only public
schools.

Saludos
DON NICNAOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Gurriato
2005-12-18 20:53:29 UTC
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please stop spreading gurriato's BS
Quoi? Un censeur?

Les autorités nazi-onanistes ont nommé ce censor librorum chargés de
s'assurer que rien de contraire à la foi ne puisse être publié. Censure,
toujours de la censure. L'organisme de censure officiel du gouvernement
polake a de nouveau frappé.

He, he, he, fucking Torquemada, foute-moi la paix, comme si l'image d'un
homme qui est dans la tête d'un autre n'appartenait pas au propriétaire de
la tête... Je suis la Pirenaica des maketos, la COPE des charnegos. Les
animateurs de la station Pirenaica Charnega sont reconnus pour leur langage
coloré et même vulgaire en certaines occasions. Ces écarts de conduite ne
font pas l'affaire des Polakes bien-pensants comme Espanyuelo, qu'ils
soient organisés en groupe d'intérêt ou qu'ils soient de simples citoyens
coome ce putain de Sarkola. Fuck el seny, fuck la censure, fuck everything!

Il faut combatre le boutifarrisme. Si l'exemple polake était suivi par
d'autres régions, ma region natale, l'Extremadure, pourrait devenir un
modèle d'utopie libertarienne pour le reste du monde: la région de la
capitale, Merida, serait libre de se constituer en démocratie populaire sur
le modèle nord-coréen; la Sierra de Gata pourrait s'annexer à Portugal; les
Belloteros pourraient gérer eux-mêmes leur banque de sang pur; la Tierra de
Barros (botihooooooh fiiiiiiinooooooh) pourrait se distribuer elle-même ses
chèques de b.s. et de subventions au développement régional; Almendralejo
pourrait bannir l'utilisation du castuo sur son territoire; et don Benito
pourrait enfin devenir elle-même, une cité-État bilingue et cosmopolite
gérée par un maire toujours parti à l'étranger. En voilà un modèle bellotair
intéressant!...

Je m'en fou de ta censure, my dear Sarkolas, tu est un ethnofacho, un
burtifar-réac et tu emmerdes le monde avec tes problèmes tribales. Pas
question d'établir des barrières physiques à l'Internet, d'isoler
l'information dans des espaces réservés comme on le fait maintenant a la
Catalogne. Le dernier mois, le Conseil de la radiodiffusion et des
télécommunications de la Dictature Ethno-Boutifarrienne a lancé un message
clair à la COPE. dans sa décision pour le renouvellement de la licence de la
station radiophonique, et c't'espèce de salaud cataliban veut faire la même
chose avec moi, ici, dans l'Internet, a FREE medium? Il a du toupet, c'mec

LE MARQUIS DE LA PATTE NOIRE
Noel
2006-01-17 20:59:59 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:27:24 -0600, "Gurriato"
Post by Gurriato
Bullshit.
And not only did Gurriato write bullshit, but he cross-posted his
bullshit to soc.culture.french and soc.culture.italian, where it does
not belong.

Trim your newsgroups, moron.

Gurriato
2005-12-17 22:48:58 UTC
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Post by Gurriato
Catalonia is not above the law. Catalonia does not have jurisditional
powers to abolish the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The
Generalitat of Catalonia is an il·licit government because is not
fulfilling its constitutional role with its refusal to protect the
half of its population being persecuted and with its its tolerance
to the growing mistreatment of Spanish-speaking citizens for linguist
or cultural reasons. The fines being imposed on Catalan merchants
who post their signs in Spanish are against the principles clearly
stated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Spanish
Constitution.
So, if Calalunya has breached the law as you state, why the Army hasn't
send yet any military forces as the Constitution permits?
Post by Gurriato
In Catalonia Spanish-speaking parents cannot send their children to
school (from nursery all the way through university) in their native
language; those who want to school their children in Catalan can.
This is discrimination a touch more serious than that of Catalan
merchants unable to put up signs in Spanish.
That's untrue, and you know it very well. You complain about catalan
victimism but you're doing the same thing.
You are a fucking liar.

Recently the Catalan PP has demanded that the Generalitat's commerce
counselor Josep Huguet explain before the regional parlaiment why the number
of legal actions taken against Catalan businesses that only use the Spanish
language has increased by 400% in the last six months. The Generalitat is
Catalonia's autonomous regional government, and Huguet is a member of the
radical separatist party ERC, the Republican Left of Catalonia. In recent
months, the number of mostly anonymous accusations against and official
inspections of businesses that use Spanish has skyrocketed. The PP asked
Huguet for the exact figures; his department has received more than one
thousand denunciations in the last six months against businesses that do not
conform to a 1998 law that obliges businesses to serve clients using Catalan
and to have signs and information in that language. The head of linguistic
policy, Carme Laura Gil, defended the increase in legal sanctions "because
they enforce a law that defends consumers. It is not a measure against
businesses, but rather it defends the right of the consumer to be served in
his own language."

If you don't like the language spoken in a shop or restaurant, go to another
one, you son of a bitch, and leave Spanish speaking people alone.

And not only that, the Generalitat has a policy of discrimination against
Spanish speaking children in public schools and is trying to treat to
erradicate the Castilian language it as an unwanted foreign language. In a
missive sent to all schools in Tarragona province, the Generalitat's
education department said, "Using Spanish hurts the students' social
cohesion," and warned that inspectors would be sent to watch teachers. The
missive established "the labor obligation of teaching staff of the
Generalitat of Catalonia to do their work in Catalan." It continues,
"Catalan must be the language of internal and external use in schools in the
oral and written expression of the teachers and in their administrative
duties."

It is intolerable for this bunch of hysterical Butifarreros to prohibit
Spanish not only in class, but also in the conversations of teachers with
parents, on school playgrounds, and even in conversations with students who
just arrived here.
Post by Gurriato
How long will the Spanish-speaking community of Catalonia (65% of
the total population) tolerate Pujol's discriminatory policy, the
model for everything that has come since? How far will this community
extend his servitude to fascist linguistic policy of social
engineering to yesterday's CiU and today's Tri-party, which
discriminates against half the population from cradle to grave?
You lie again. 100% of Catalonia population speak Spanish by law, but
not every single person living here speaks Catalan. So how you dare to
say that Spanish is prosecuted?
Exactly: 100 % of the population speaks Spanish and therefore it is absurd
that a private radio station gets a humongous fine for broadcasting its
programs in this language. The Botifarran Brahmins want to change the choice
of language with quotas, fines and forced cultural indoctrination. This is a
bizarre attempt ef social engineering against the individual rights of the
citizens of Catalonia. They call this tyrannical bullshit "normalizing" the
country.

Normalize your ass, you totalitarian bastards!
Post by Gurriato
The ethnofascist Generalitat should not fool itself, the current
dictatorial linguistic oppresion cannot go on. It spurs local
despotism which leads to abyect discrimmination against Spanish
speakers of Catalonia. It is time to put up a fight by all necessary
means.
You get mad if someone speaks Catalan. I get sad when I see almost
everybody speaks me Spanish as they don't know my native language in my
native land.
Fuck you. You are a totalitarian ethnic biggot.
Take your goddamned Botifarran patois and shovel it up your ass. We are up
to the gills with your hysterical ethnocentric bullshit and the
balkanization of a nation into petty ridiculous tribes.
Keep the guns off your hands
Keep your dick off el coño de tu puta madre, caciquillo de mierda. Ya habeis
dado por el culo a la gente durante demasiado tiempo con vuestras monsergas.

Ya va siendo hora de plantar cara a esas canalladas y dejarse de servilismos
cobardes.

DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Don Quijote
2005-12-18 07:04:56 UTC
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Con esta sarta de insultos multilinguales, lo que va a conseguir Mr.
Gurriato es que "all the world" tome conciencia del "talante" de los
defensores del tripartito catalán.

Sigue así, Gurriato,m defendiendo tu postura con argumentos internacionales.
Lo estas haciendo muy bien.


"
Post by Gurriato
Fuck you. You are a totalitarian ethnic biggot.
Take your goddamned Botifarran patois and shovel it up your ass. We are up
to the gills with your hysterical ethnocentric bullshit and the
balkanization of a nation into petty ridiculous tribes.
Keep the guns off your hands
Keep your dick off el coño de tu puta madre, caciquillo de mierda. Ya
habeis dado por el culo a la gente durante demasiado tiempo con vuestras
monsergas.
Ya va siendo hora de plantar cara a esas canalladas y dejarse de
servilismos cobardes.
DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Gurriato
2005-12-19 00:26:06 UTC
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Benvolgut Coix,
Vete a tomar por el culo, fascista.
En Cataluña se están eliminando los derechos más básicos del individuo.
Negais el derecho a la escolarización en su idioma, desde la escuela de
párvulos a la universidad, al 65% de la población.
Matraca victimista ploricona i ressentida.
Hem de concloure que els votants catalans (almenys el 65%) són
massoquistes, ja que disfruten votant a qui els hi nega els més bàsics
drets de l'individuo. :-DDDDDDDDD
No sé a que coños viene la puta ristra de des, merluzo. En muchas sociedades
en las que existe un sistema parlamentario también se abusa de la mayoría.
Hay más mujeres que hombres, y sin embargo, en muchas sociedades
"democráticas" en las que se vota y tal y cual, las chorvas viven en
condición de inferioridad. A lo mejor es que les va la marcha.

Lo mismo digo de los negros y mulatos de Brasil (es un mero ejemplo), que no
disfrutan de los mismos privilegios en la sociedad aunque de hecho son más
numerosos que los blancos. Etcétera, etcétera.

Hay muchos más factores en el tapete que el mero voto. El feniciamen tiene
el control de las finanzas y otras muchas claves de la sociedad catalana y
ejercen un poderío que va mucho más allá del voto. Al charnegamen se le ha
intimidado, a veces por el bajo nivel cultural de algunos inmigrantes y a
veces por la tradición de servilismo, pero eso está cambiando y en el mundo
moderno solicitan sus derechos hasta las ratas.

Ciertamente el charnegamen no controla los medios de comunicación de
Catalonia, que están en manos de la oligarquía butifarrera. En esos medios
se han dedicado a una propaganda machacona para la que no ha habido
antídoto. La única voz disidente ha sido la COPE y ya estarás al tanto de
los múltiples intentos de amordazarla. En Cataluña no ha habido un canal de
comunicación para los charnegos. Ni siquiera hay un partido político que los
represente. El charnegamen constituye la gran mayoría de la clase obrera de
Cataluña y el partido que debería protegerles de acuerdo a sus intereses de
clase es el sociata, esa gran asociación de chorizos y vividores. Sin
embargo, los mandos del partido se han dedicado a hacer política
nazi-onanista traicionando a las bases. De ahí que yo subrayara el otro día
la gran importancia de que haya aparecido un partido, Ciudadanos de
Cataluña, que es de izquierda moderada y no nacionalista. Espero que ese
partido, en el futuro, canalice adecuadamente las necesidades del
proletariado charnego

Parte del puteo ha consistido en tachar de "franquista" a todo aquel que
abre el pico para portestar de la injusta situación actual. Aunque no soy
persona aficionada a las consignas creo que el eslogan de las actividades
procharnegas deberían ser: FRANQUISTA LO SERA TU PUTA MADRE, para dejar las
cosas en claro desde el principio y establecer las reglas del juego.

Mientras tanto, y a falta de cosa mejor, aconsejo encarecidamente el votar.
Me refiero al voto con la tarjeta de crédito, que es bastante efectivo. Hay
muchas maneras de hacer oir tu voz en la sociedad fuera del rollo macabeo
parlamentario.
Vergonya aliena de les teves exposicions.
Hombre, me alegro infinito. Avergonzarte es todo un placer. Siempre
me ha molado cantidigui avergonzar a los fariseos que nos toman el pelo
con la moralina.
Ben cordialment,
Toni
Lo dicho: vete a tomar por el culo, hipócrita. Le das las palmaditas en el
hombro a tu abuela, chato

DON NICANOR TOCANDO EL TAMBOR
Gurriato
2005-12-23 18:24:02 UTC
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En Rajoy va proclamar en les seves exaltades i furibundes arengues de
Més nacionalisme excloent.
Mamón, preocúpate de los que en Cataluña se dedican a los multazos en
contra
de los que usan el castellano y déjate de cuentos.
Habéis convertido Cataluña en una dictadura de chivatos, caciques e hijos
de puta.
A ver, gilipollas. Si en catalunya ya llegan a hacer eso es porque
estan hasta los cojones de inutiles fascistas como tu que llegan i
pasan hasta el culo de la cultura y de la lengua propia del lugar, que
pretenden vivir como en extremadura, con la puta excusa de que vivimos
en el mismo estado y que quieren vivir en castellano e imponerlo.
Une atteinte à la vie privée,.. hein? C'est le délire, je le disais, le
Polakistan va se transformer en un vaste trou noir.
Remarquez cependant que le citoyen polakophone a le droit d'exiger que
toute personne avec qui il travaille ou qui lui vend un truc s'adresse à lui
en patois. Autrement dit, si tu veux travailler, tu dois parler Polake.
Pues >no. Catalunya es catalana, y se habla catalan. Los que vayan de fuera
que lo tengan bien claro. que derecho tiene un catalan a educara a sus
hijos en catalan.
Fuck you, cabrón. Los charnegos también deberían tener derecho a educar a
sus hijos en la suya. La pasta no la ponen los putos leguleyos de la Chene,
mamón. La pasta viene de los bolsillos de los contribuyentes y los charnegos
también pagan impuestos.

Si la protection de la soit-disant "culture" polakophone exige des mesures
liberticides, si pour survivre la cultureta botifarrera doit en venir à des
pratiques pratiquement fascistes alors elle ne merite aucune defense et peut
crever la gueulle ouverte dans le caniveau avec l'ensemble des fascistes du
monde,

L'histoire nous prouve avec une profusion d'exemple que l'intervention de
l'Etat s'avère toujours en fin de compte contre-productive.

Si on veut défendre le patois polake, programme auquel je souscris avec
enthousiasme, j'ai une suggestion à faire : que les polakophones fassent des
trucs sufisamment intéressants pour que les non-polakophones aient envie
d'apprendre votre langue.

Se vautrer dans la mesquinerie ne me parait pas être la meilleure
alternative.

Je suis très sensible aux informations qui me permettent d'accréditer la
thèse selon laquelle il y a de l'autre côté de l'Atlantique une intéressante
confrérie de torquemadas d'opérette i pa sucat qui brûlent de venger
l'arxiduc Carles en boutant le Castillain hors de Catalogne. Bonne chance,
il en restera encore une belle tripotée quand vous en aurez fini avec ceux
qui ont eu le mauvais goût de venir s'établir au feu de dieu dans votre
Païs bouseux (je mets la diérèse pour faire couleur locale).
En clair, les tracasseries administratives (dont votre Generalitat dels
pebrots fait partie, que vous le vouliez ou non) découragent l'initiative
privée dans votre putain du pays.
en extremadura??? seguro que ninguno, que ya es mucho
menos que los derechos que tienen actualmente los extremeños a vivir o
incluso a educara sus hijos y llevarlos al colegio en castellano,
pagado por la generalitat, en catalunya. A ver quien habla de
discriminaciones y fascimo. Imbécil.
Quant à l'oppression que subirait aujourd'hui la minorité polakophone
boutifarriennne pardon, mais pardon. Et même si elle existait, je ne vois
pas de quelle manière elle justifierait d'emmerder les charnegos du
Polakistan (65% du pays).

Il y a quelque 3 millions de polakophones a la Catalogne pour 400 millions
d'anglophones a la Terre.C'est sans compter que l'espagnol est pour
l'instant une langue internationale, non pas parce qu'elle est
"intéressante", mais en raison du poids économique relié aux 400 millions.
On ne choisit pas d'apprendre un patois con donné en arrivant dans un pays
parce qu'elle est "la llengua propia", franchement!

¡Felices Pascuas!

LE MARQUIS DE LA PATTE NOIRE
Toni
2005-12-23 19:01:52 UTC
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Benvolgut Coix,
Post by Gurriato
Quant à l'oppression que subirait aujourd'hui la minorité polakophone
boutifarriennne pardon, mais pardon. Et même si elle existait, je ne vois pas
de quelle manière elle justifierait d'emmerder les charnegos du Polakistan
(65% du pays).
Estas estadísticas están desfasadas. Corresponden a los tiempos de tu amado
Paquito el ferrolano. Pero las cosas han cambiado mucho y ya casi no quedan
charnegos en Catalunya.

Existen otras estadísticas mas recientes (2003) que las del ferrolano (1956) que
pueden hacer cambiar tus conclusiones:

http://www6.gencat.net/llengcat/socio/coneix.htm#cat

Donde se puede leer esto:

"Usos lingüístics
El 50,1%, té com a llengua habitual el català. A més, i pel que fa als àmbits
d'ús
informals (amb els amics, els companys d'estudi, els companys de feina i els
amics) un 36,7% declara que hi empra normalment el català; per contra, un 30,2%
declara que normalment utilitza el castellà. Quant a l'ús del català, aquest
percentatge, però, s'incrementa en prop de 12 punts si es tenen en compte els
àmbits d'ús una mica més formals de la llengua (als bancs, amb el metge, en els
grans establiments i el petit comerç), on l'ús habitual del català per part de
la població és del 48,4%. "


Es decir, un 50,1% tiene como lengua habitual el catalán, y el 30,2% tiene como
lengua habitual el castellano.

Esto explica que la totalidad de catalanes (menos 2 resentidos y medio y el
Coix) quieren tener un conocimiento óptimo y similar tanto de catalán como de
castellano, ya que es muy útil para ser un hombre hecho y derecho y de provecho
en Catalunya, y los padres agradecen la inmersión de sus hijos como agua bendita
de mayo, ya que les permite aprender una milenaria lengua de futuro que va en
auge.

Solo los catalanófobos nacionalistas excluyentes y resentidos nacional-católicos
de siempre se estiran de los pelos por que los tiempos estén cambiando.

The Times They Are A-Changing'

Bon Nadal!

Ben cordialment,
Toni
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